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		<title>By: Dan Lewis</title>
		<link>http://dlewis.net/2009/12/01/what-does-it-mean-to-buy-an-e-book/comment-page-1/#comment-75</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s fair to suggest that the emphasis of my question is&lt;br&gt;misplaced -- it&#039;s not &quot;BUY an ebook&quot; but rather &quot;buy and EBOOK&quot;,&lt;br&gt;perhaps.  However, comparing the bundle of rights warranted by a movie&lt;br&gt;ticket to an ebook is not a true representation of how eBooks are&lt;br&gt;marketed.  They&#039;re marketed more like a DVD than a movie ticket, yet I&lt;br&gt;agree, you&#039;re actually purchasing something much different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#39;s fair to suggest that the emphasis of my question is<br />misplaced &#8212; it&#39;s not &#8220;BUY an ebook&#8221; but rather &#8220;buy and EBOOK&#8221;,<br />perhaps.  However, comparing the bundle of rights warranted by a movie<br />ticket to an ebook is not a true representation of how eBooks are<br />marketed.  They&#39;re marketed more like a DVD than a movie ticket, yet I<br />agree, you&#39;re actually purchasing something much different.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Havens</title>
		<link>http://dlewis.net/2009/12/01/what-does-it-mean-to-buy-an-e-book/comment-page-1/#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Havens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m of two minds on this. On the one hand, I&#039;ve been loving/reading books for my entire life, and part of the fun of books is lending them, displaying them, re-selling them, buying them used, etc. Stuff that has to do with the physical-ness of the books. Losing those activities when you buy an eBook is, yes, a pain.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On the other hand, I&#039;ve been reading eBooks on Palms/Smart Phones for 13 years now, and currently do more than half of my reading on such. With eBooks on my phone, I can do things that are impossible with printed books. I can carry many of them around. I can read in short bursts effectively, since they&#039;re portable and on my always-with-me device. I never lose a book -- the two companies I buy from maintain my library in the cloud, and the free books I get from Gutenberg et al are always there. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In thinking about this, I&#039;m beginning to regard &quot;book&quot; as two different things, the same as I have regarded &quot;movie&quot; since VHS came out. When I go to see a movie in the theater, I am renting the right to see it once, on a big dang screen, surrounded by people, in a dark place that smells like popcorn and corn syrup. I don&#039;t object to the fact that, when it&#039;s over, I have nothing to sell, trade, keep, display, etc. It&#039;s the movie experience. I can talk about having seen it, quote it, blog it, review it, pan it, etc. But the &quot;it&quot; doesn&#039;t belong to me in any way other than experientially. Two months from now, though, I can buy the DVD. That &quot;thing&quot; is mine. I can watch it 100 times, loan it to my brother, sell it at a used video store, loan it, display the case on my shelf, etc. They are two fundamentally different types of transactions.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I buy some books now in print because I make the pre-purchase decision that the physical-ness of the book is important to me. Large, colorful photo books. Tutorial/teaching books that I need to mark-up. Funny books that I know I&#039;ll only read once and want to loan away forever. Books by certain authors that are important enough to me to warrant space on my shelf as &quot;personal historical art.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you want the rights associated with a DVD, buy the DVD. If you want to sit in a theater and watch on a big screen with your arm around your gal, do that. If you want to trade a book, give it away, use it as a coaster... buy the print version. If you want to read it on your phone while standing in line at the BMV, buy the eBook.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s not complicated to me anymore. It&#039;s just two different things. Choice is good. Yes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m of two minds on this. On the one hand, I&#39;ve been loving/reading books for my entire life, and part of the fun of books is lending them, displaying them, re-selling them, buying them used, etc. Stuff that has to do with the physical-ness of the books. Losing those activities when you buy an eBook is, yes, a pain.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I&#39;ve been reading eBooks on Palms/Smart Phones for 13 years now, and currently do more than half of my reading on such. With eBooks on my phone, I can do things that are impossible with printed books. I can carry many of them around. I can read in short bursts effectively, since they&#39;re portable and on my always-with-me device. I never lose a book &#8212; the two companies I buy from maintain my library in the cloud, and the free books I get from Gutenberg et al are always there. </p>
<p>In thinking about this, I&#39;m beginning to regard &#8220;book&#8221; as two different things, the same as I have regarded &#8220;movie&#8221; since VHS came out. When I go to see a movie in the theater, I am renting the right to see it once, on a big dang screen, surrounded by people, in a dark place that smells like popcorn and corn syrup. I don&#39;t object to the fact that, when it&#39;s over, I have nothing to sell, trade, keep, display, etc. It&#39;s the movie experience. I can talk about having seen it, quote it, blog it, review it, pan it, etc. But the &#8220;it&#8221; doesn&#39;t belong to me in any way other than experientially. Two months from now, though, I can buy the DVD. That &#8220;thing&#8221; is mine. I can watch it 100 times, loan it to my brother, sell it at a used video store, loan it, display the case on my shelf, etc. They are two fundamentally different types of transactions.</p>
<p>I buy some books now in print because I make the pre-purchase decision that the physical-ness of the book is important to me. Large, colorful photo books. Tutorial/teaching books that I need to mark-up. Funny books that I know I&#39;ll only read once and want to loan away forever. Books by certain authors that are important enough to me to warrant space on my shelf as &#8220;personal historical art.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you want the rights associated with a DVD, buy the DVD. If you want to sit in a theater and watch on a big screen with your arm around your gal, do that. If you want to trade a book, give it away, use it as a coaster&#8230; buy the print version. If you want to read it on your phone while standing in line at the BMV, buy the eBook.</p>
<p>It&#39;s not complicated to me anymore. It&#39;s just two different things. Choice is good. Yes?</p>
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		<title>By: tonybuy</title>
		<link>http://dlewis.net/2009/12/01/what-does-it-mean-to-buy-an-e-book/comment-page-1/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator>tonybuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dan Lewis</title>
		<link>http://dlewis.net/2009/12/01/what-does-it-mean-to-buy-an-e-book/comment-page-1/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except that I am also giving them the rest of my library, and that&#039;s&lt;br&gt;unreasonable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except that I am also giving them the rest of my library, and that&#39;s<br />unreasonable.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://dlewis.net/2009/12/01/what-does-it-mean-to-buy-an-e-book/comment-page-1/#comment-65</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;if you let somebody borrow the actual Kindle where the e-book is stored, then in a sense you are extending the traditional ownership rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi:</p>
<p>if you let somebody borrow the actual Kindle where the e-book is stored, then in a sense you are extending the traditional ownership rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Lewis</title>
		<link>http://dlewis.net/2009/12/01/what-does-it-mean-to-buy-an-e-book/comment-page-1/#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 00:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t like the tangible item plus license dichotomy.  It&#039;s just not necessary.  Ownership of a tangible (or even intangible) item doesn&#039;t entitle the owner to use the the item in unlawful ways.  You can&#039;t bash in mailboxes or skulls with a lawfully-owned baseball bat, for example.  But calling that a licensing issue makes something simple rather complicated.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for your subpoints:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1) Operationally, it&#039;s difficult to prevent downstream resales of used items, but, if it were unlawful, it&#039;d not be nearly as difficult as you think.  Libraries and used book vendors would immediately cease to exist, leaving only peer-to-peer lending/sales.   You couldn&#039;t eradicate it but you could hamper it dramatically.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2) I agree.  DRM is a bad attempt to solve the problem I&#039;m articulating.  What we need, legislatively and technologically, is a framework which meets our already-existing vision of how ownership works.  DRM does not do that, at all, for the reasons you articulated and others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t like the tangible item plus license dichotomy.  It&#39;s just not necessary.  Ownership of a tangible (or even intangible) item doesn&#39;t entitle the owner to use the the item in unlawful ways.  You can&#39;t bash in mailboxes or skulls with a lawfully-owned baseball bat, for example.  But calling that a licensing issue makes something simple rather complicated.</p>
<p>As for your subpoints:</p>
<p>1) Operationally, it&#39;s difficult to prevent downstream resales of used items, but, if it were unlawful, it&#39;d not be nearly as difficult as you think.  Libraries and used book vendors would immediately cease to exist, leaving only peer-to-peer lending/sales.   You couldn&#39;t eradicate it but you could hamper it dramatically.</p>
<p>2) I agree.  DRM is a bad attempt to solve the problem I&#39;m articulating.  What we need, legislatively and technologically, is a framework which meets our already-existing vision of how ownership works.  DRM does not do that, at all, for the reasons you articulated and others.</p>
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		<title>By: Pitos Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#8211; Dan Lewis, on what it means to &#8216;own&#8217; something - Welcome! If you&#8217;re interested in the same kind of things I am, consider adding this site to your favorites, or better yet, you may want to subscribe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pitos Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#8211; Dan Lewis, on what it means to &#8216;own&#8217; something - Welcome! If you&#8217;re interested in the same kind of things I am, consider adding this site to your favorites, or better yet, you may want to subscribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post talks about the difference between owning, possessing and accessing a book or anything tangible: &#8220;If I buy (”own”) a book, I expect to be able to do things such as re-sell, loan, rent, gift it. If I rent or borrow (”posses”) a book, I don’t, but expect to be able to do things like take it with me on a trip. If I am in your house and flip through (”access”) a book, you being a mensch aside, I probably can’t just walk out the door with it.&#8221; (from What does it mean to &#8216;buy&#8217; an e-book&#8217;) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post talks about the difference between owning, possessing and accessing a book or anything tangible: &#8220;If I buy (”own”) a book, I expect to be able to do things such as re-sell, loan, rent, gift it. If I rent or borrow (”posses”) a book, I don’t, but expect to be able to do things like take it with me on a trip. If I am in your house and flip through (”access”) a book, you being a mensch aside, I probably can’t just walk out the door with it.&#8221; (from What does it mean to &#8216;buy&#8217; an e-book&#8217;) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you purchase a book you are actually purchasing a license for the interlectual property rights and a physical book. There are limitations. You can&#039;t for example photocopy the book and sell it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The simplification comes because the license is linked to the physical object both legally and also as a physical copy protection. It is difficult to &quot;copy&quot; a book and everyone understands that isn&#039;t allowed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are two important differences though...&lt;br&gt;1) Because it is effectively impossible to enforce limitiations on transfering the book + license then sellers don&#039;t actually limit this use. However they do use other means to do this. For example text book publishers regularly bring out new editions reducing the ability of students to resell books to the next cohort of students. However the technical mechanisms to prevent copying are equally effective at preventing transfers and so publishers have chosen to limit transfer rights. They don&#039;t have to but it is in their interests to. This appears just to be a fact of life. One of those &quot;can&#039;t do anything about&quot; issues we should have serenity about.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2) The technical mechanisms used to enforce license limitations (DRM) are by nessessity proprietry to prevent people from reverse engineering them to bypass the protections. They also rely on a DRM infrastructure to validate a copy so it can be used on a specific device. The problem for the consumer is that when you buy a physical book then if the publisher goes out of business they still own the book and it doesn&#039;t become unusable. However with DRM protected purchases if the proprietry software is not updated and maintained so it can be used on the latest devices and operating systems or if the DRM infrastructure is not maintained and kept operational then the purchase can become unusable at exactly the point when it is no longer viable to recover compensation from the supplier. Here there are possibilities to protect the consumer. For example it could be a legal requirement to place unprotected copies of DRM protected purchases into escro. If a purchaser can demonstrate they can no longer use the purchase and the supplier is no longer trading then an unprotected copy could be provided. This would appear to be an area where we should have the courage to demand changes of our legislators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you purchase a book you are actually purchasing a license for the interlectual property rights and a physical book. There are limitations. You can&#39;t for example photocopy the book and sell it.</p>
<p>The simplification comes because the license is linked to the physical object both legally and also as a physical copy protection. It is difficult to &#8220;copy&#8221; a book and everyone understands that isn&#39;t allowed.</p>
<p>There are two important differences though&#8230;<br />1) Because it is effectively impossible to enforce limitiations on transfering the book + license then sellers don&#39;t actually limit this use. However they do use other means to do this. For example text book publishers regularly bring out new editions reducing the ability of students to resell books to the next cohort of students. However the technical mechanisms to prevent copying are equally effective at preventing transfers and so publishers have chosen to limit transfer rights. They don&#39;t have to but it is in their interests to. This appears just to be a fact of life. One of those &#8220;can&#39;t do anything about&#8221; issues we should have serenity about.</p>
<p>2) The technical mechanisms used to enforce license limitations (DRM) are by nessessity proprietry to prevent people from reverse engineering them to bypass the protections. They also rely on a DRM infrastructure to validate a copy so it can be used on a specific device. The problem for the consumer is that when you buy a physical book then if the publisher goes out of business they still own the book and it doesn&#39;t become unusable. However with DRM protected purchases if the proprietry software is not updated and maintained so it can be used on the latest devices and operating systems or if the DRM infrastructure is not maintained and kept operational then the purchase can become unusable at exactly the point when it is no longer viable to recover compensation from the supplier. Here there are possibilities to protect the consumer. For example it could be a legal requirement to place unprotected copies of DRM protected purchases into escro. If a purchaser can demonstrate they can no longer use the purchase and the supplier is no longer trading then an unprotected copy could be provided. This would appear to be an area where we should have the courage to demand changes of our legislators.</p>
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