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		<title>By: What Does it Mean to &#8220;Buy&#8221; an E-book? &#171; Dan Lewis</title>
		<link>http://dlewis.net/2009/11/30/the-used-book-store-in-the-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>What Does it Mean to &#8220;Buy&#8221; an E-book? &#171; Dan Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] discussion around my post yesterday also entailed this comment over on another blog, and got me thinking [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Gahoo</title>
		<link>http://dlewis.net/2009/11/30/the-used-book-store-in-the-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-94</link>
		<dc:creator>Gahoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops.  Didn&#039;t see the other comments when I posted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops.  Didn&#39;t see the other comments when I posted.</p>
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		<title>By: asciilifeform</title>
		<link>http://dlewis.net/2009/11/30/the-used-book-store-in-the-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-103</link>
		<dc:creator>asciilifeform</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; If you do the former, you own it; the latter, someone else does.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As soon as the contents of the file are in my bought-and-paid-for-with-no-fine-print-just-like-a-fork-or-a-knife video card&#039;s display buffer, I have taken ownership of them, Talmudic legal fictions notwithstanding.  A copy is made in all cases, whether for my own viewing after I have been properly bled (Officially Blessed variant) or obtained from a warez site, with intent to distribute to the entire population of China (Officially Not Blessed.)  The physical process which took place is the same.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No argument about the cloud.  Once you store data on a hostile machine, others may read, delete, modify, etc. it.  The only machine which contains data that can be meaningfully called &quot;yours&quot; is your own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; If you do the former, you own it; the latter, someone else does.</p>
<p>As soon as the contents of the file are in my bought-and-paid-for-with-no-fine-print-just-like-a-fork-or-a-knife video card&#39;s display buffer, I have taken ownership of them, Talmudic legal fictions notwithstanding.  A copy is made in all cases, whether for my own viewing after I have been properly bled (Officially Blessed variant) or obtained from a warez site, with intent to distribute to the entire population of China (Officially Not Blessed.)  The physical process which took place is the same.</p>
<p>No argument about the cloud.  Once you store data on a hostile machine, others may read, delete, modify, etc. it.  The only machine which contains data that can be meaningfully called &#8220;yours&#8221; is your own.</p>
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		<title>By: Gahoo</title>
		<link>http://dlewis.net/2009/11/30/the-used-book-store-in-the-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-91</link>
		<dc:creator>Gahoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barnes &amp; Nobel have apparently picked up on this concept, and their &quot;Nook&quot; allows e-book sharing.   &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.barnesandnoble.com/nook/support/?cds2Pid=30195&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.barnesandnoble.com/nook/support/?cds...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barnes &#038; Nobel have apparently picked up on this concept, and their &#8220;Nook&#8221; allows e-book sharing.   <a href="http://www.barnesandnoble.com/nook/support/?cds2Pid=30195" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.barnesandnoble.com/nook/support/?cds.." rel="nofollow">http://www.barnesandnoble.com/nook/support/?cds..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Lewis</title>
		<link>http://dlewis.net/2009/11/30/the-used-book-store-in-the-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh, it&#039;s not really sharing, because you don&#039;t actually own the book.&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s just a reassignment of DRM nonsense and I think a previous&lt;br&gt;commenter is correct -- it&#039;ll prove to be an &quot;anti-feature&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh, it&#39;s not really sharing, because you don&#39;t actually own the book.<br />It&#39;s just a reassignment of DRM nonsense and I think a previous<br />commenter is correct &#8212; it&#39;ll prove to be an &#8220;anti-feature&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Lewis</title>
		<link>http://dlewis.net/2009/11/30/the-used-book-store-in-the-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-102</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: and/or: Sure.  But you can either put the file on your computer (DRM notwithstanding) or host it on the cloud.  If you do the former, you own it; the latter, someone else does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: and/or: Sure.  But you can either put the file on your computer (DRM notwithstanding) or host it on the cloud.  If you do the former, you own it; the latter, someone else does.</p>
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		<title>By: Gahoo</title>
		<link>http://dlewis.net/2009/11/30/the-used-book-store-in-the-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>Gahoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barnes &amp; Nobel have apparently picked up on this concept, and their &quot;Nook&quot; allows e-book sharing.   &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.barnesandnoble.com/nook/support/?cds2Pid=30195&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.barnesandnoble.com/nook/support/?cds...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barnes &#038; Nobel have apparently picked up on this concept, and their &#8220;Nook&#8221; allows e-book sharing.   <a href="http://www.barnesandnoble.com/nook/support/?cds2Pid=30195" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.barnesandnoble.com/nook/support/?cds.." rel="nofollow">http://www.barnesandnoble.com/nook/support/?cds..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: asciilifeform</title>
		<link>http://dlewis.net/2009/11/30/the-used-book-store-in-the-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-101</link>
		<dc:creator>asciilifeform</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;  I don&#039;t see any of this as an &quot;or&quot; question&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Whether I have absolute control over the fate of bits on a device which I bought and physically possess is, in fact, an either-or question.  Either my computer is built to disobey my orders to benefit a hostile third party, or it is not:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://glyf.livejournal.com/46589.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://glyf.livejournal.com/46589.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; But we both agree that the &quot;easy&quot; solution is not a solution at all&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are only two long-term solutions:  a ban on true general-purpose computing (the logical conclusion of DRM efforts) or the complete abandonment of artificial scarcity.  The latter could involve a clever social hack (i.e. the &quot;ransom&quot; model) or a reversion to the (historically dominant) situation of largely unpaid creativity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;  I don&#39;t see any of this as an &#8220;or&#8221; question</p>
<p>Whether I have absolute control over the fate of bits on a device which I bought and physically possess is, in fact, an either-or question.  Either my computer is built to disobey my orders to benefit a hostile third party, or it is not:  <a href="http://glyf.livejournal.com/46589.html" rel="nofollow">http://glyf.livejournal.com/46589.html</a></p>
<p>&gt; But we both agree that the &#8220;easy&#8221; solution is not a solution at all</p>
<p>There are only two long-term solutions:  a ban on true general-purpose computing (the logical conclusion of DRM efforts) or the complete abandonment of artificial scarcity.  The latter could involve a clever social hack (i.e. the &#8220;ransom&#8221; model) or a reversion to the (historically dominant) situation of largely unpaid creativity.</p>
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